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		<title>Comment on Faith versus reason. by Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.greyleads.com/philosophy/faith-versus-reason/#comment-101</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger,

I think you are suggesting that we should not make truth out of reason itself. Instead, 'reason' is a faculty - not an object. Yet, it must be said that it is a very important faculty to have and use. For if we are able to say that anthing is true we must use this faculty of 'reason' to do so. It is true that reason can be used in conjunction with a skeptical attitude, but it is also possible to use reason in conjunction with preformed assumptions on a particular matter. I guess, the way I am using 'reason' is in the sense that it can point to good evidence and good logic to support certain stipulations. Once again, I'm not arguing against faith, but a type of 'faith' that is weakly formed and only serves to support our own identity and not a coherent view of the world. I find it difficult, for instance, to say that "Homosexuals won't inherit the Kingdom of God" just because Paul said so (1 Corinthians 6:9). I'm getting myself into tricky territory, but I don't think morals are not as black and white as sometimes they are made out to be. 

Well, that may have opened a whole new can of worms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger,</p>
<p>I think you are suggesting that we should not make truth out of reason itself. Instead, &#8216;reason&#8217; is a faculty - not an object. Yet, it must be said that it is a very important faculty to have and use. For if we are able to say that anthing is true we must use this faculty of &#8216;reason&#8217; to do so. It is true that reason can be used in conjunction with a skeptical attitude, but it is also possible to use reason in conjunction with preformed assumptions on a particular matter. I guess, the way I am using &#8216;reason&#8217; is in the sense that it can point to good evidence and good logic to support certain stipulations. Once again, I&#8217;m not arguing against faith, but a type of &#8216;faith&#8217; that is weakly formed and only serves to support our own identity and not a coherent view of the world. I find it difficult, for instance, to say that &#8220;Homosexuals won&#8217;t inherit the Kingdom of God&#8221; just because Paul said so (1 Corinthians 6:9). I&#8217;m getting myself into tricky territory, but I don&#8217;t think morals are not as black and white as sometimes they are made out to be. </p>
<p>Well, that may have opened a whole new can of worms.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Faith versus reason. by Roger</title>
		<link>http://www.greyleads.com/philosophy/faith-versus-reason/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to suggest a distinction between the faculty of reason, analogous to discernment.  And the use of reason as an almost legalistic type of skeptisism.  Using David's example I can reason to drink water from a tap, even one from which I have never drunk, without having to establish it as safe.

I don't think this disagrees with anything mentioned above; but it is a danger inherent within our own ability for skeptisism, if reason becomes more than a faculty for making a choice/descision we elevate it to a position of greater importance than it merits itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to suggest a distinction between the faculty of reason, analogous to discernment.  And the use of reason as an almost legalistic type of skeptisism.  Using David&#8217;s example I can reason to drink water from a tap, even one from which I have never drunk, without having to establish it as safe.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this disagrees with anything mentioned above; but it is a danger inherent within our own ability for skeptisism, if reason becomes more than a faculty for making a choice/descision we elevate it to a position of greater importance than it merits itself.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is it necessary for the creation story to be literal? by Ewan</title>
		<link>http://www.greyleads.com/theology/is-it-necessary-for-the-creation-story-to-be-literal/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>Ewan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon,

It is important to understand that 'age' is a substance that cannot be directly measured, and methods used to determine the age of an object will by necessity always involve assumptions.

In any debate about the age of the earth, Christians &lt;i&gt;must&lt;/i&gt; understand this because a person's axioms will always determine how they interpret the evidence. See &lt;a href="http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/3830/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon,</p>
<p>It is important to understand that &#8216;age&#8217; is a substance that cannot be directly measured, and methods used to determine the age of an object will by necessity always involve assumptions.</p>
<p>In any debate about the age of the earth, Christians <i>must</i> understand this because a person&#8217;s axioms will always determine how they interpret the evidence. See <a href="http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/3830/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is it necessary for the creation story to be literal? by Ewan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ewan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is not one fact or one piece of evidence that I disregard, but I do certainly differ from the evolutionists/old-earthers when it comes to the interpretations put on that evidence when forming a hypothesis about past events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is not one fact or one piece of evidence that I disregard, but I do certainly differ from the evolutionists/old-earthers when it comes to the interpretations put on that evidence when forming a hypothesis about past events.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is it necessary for the creation story to be literal? by Ewan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ewan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon,

You need to differentiate between &lt;b&gt;empirical facts&lt;/b&gt; and &lt;b&gt;scientific evidence&lt;/b&gt;. They are not the same thing. Evidence needs interpretation - facts speak for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon,</p>
<p>You need to differentiate between <b>empirical facts</b> and <b>scientific evidence</b>. They are not the same thing. Evidence needs interpretation - facts speak for themselves.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is it necessary for the creation story to be literal? by Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ewan,
In saying that "There is not one empirical fact that contradicts an approximately 6000 year old earth and universe", I take it you are disregarding much of the scientific evidence that says differently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ewan,<br />
In saying that &#8220;There is not one empirical fact that contradicts an approximately 6000 year old earth and universe&#8221;, I take it you are disregarding much of the scientific evidence that says differently.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is it necessary for the creation story to be literal? by Ewan</title>
		<link>http://www.greyleads.com/theology/is-it-necessary-for-the-creation-story-to-be-literal/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>Ewan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam,

I was referring to those events in Job that occurred before God's throne where there was no human witness. I have no reason to doubt the events of Job.

Why is it not possible to apply your reasoning about the Genesis Creation account to other parts of the Bible? - the virgin birth for example?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam,</p>
<p>I was referring to those events in Job that occurred before God&#8217;s throne where there was no human witness. I have no reason to doubt the events of Job.</p>
<p>Why is it not possible to apply your reasoning about the Genesis Creation account to other parts of the Bible? - the virgin birth for example?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is it necessary for the creation story to be literal? by Ewan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ewan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Simon,

I don't consider the YEC view to be "narrow" - I consider it to be faithful to Scripture. If Scripture did allow room to move on this issue then it would indeed be narrow to insist on the YEC view.

Another point is that I see no compelling reason to compromise (that is to depart from the straightforward understanding) anyway. There is not one empirical fact that contradicts an approximately 6000 year old earth and universe. So in the absence of contrary proof why do so many Christians even want to doubt the Genesis account?

There is no direct biblical evidence to say if Adam could write or not, but it is clear that Adam was created with language and speech that unlike us he did not have to learn. Therefore it is reasonable to assume he also had the ability to write. Even if not he could easily have developed writing during the centuries of his life. So it is almost a given that he was capable of writing so could have authored something about the creation account that may have been still in existence when Moses compiled Genesis. See &lt;a href="http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/767" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Simon,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t consider the YEC view to be &#8220;narrow&#8221; - I consider it to be faithful to Scripture. If Scripture did allow room to move on this issue then it would indeed be narrow to insist on the YEC view.</p>
<p>Another point is that I see no compelling reason to compromise (that is to depart from the straightforward understanding) anyway. There is not one empirical fact that contradicts an approximately 6000 year old earth and universe. So in the absence of contrary proof why do so many Christians even want to doubt the Genesis account?</p>
<p>There is no direct biblical evidence to say if Adam could write or not, but it is clear that Adam was created with language and speech that unlike us he did not have to learn. Therefore it is reasonable to assume he also had the ability to write. Even if not he could easily have developed writing during the centuries of his life. So it is almost a given that he was capable of writing so could have authored something about the creation account that may have been still in existence when Moses compiled Genesis. See <a href="http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/767" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Faith versus reason. by Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.greyleads.com/philosophy/faith-versus-reason/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Suzy; hard, good questions. I am familiar with Baha’i. It is a nice concept, but doesn't appear to support any sort of ultimate and absolute truth; I suppose that's why people are attracted to it. I am not a fan of mixing faiths; logically it makes very little sense, and my particular belief is hardly comparable, at it's core, to any other religion. What Christianity claims is unique. 

I have learnt about other religions, and see what you're suggesting here. I haven't necessarily given them a "good ol' go." A few reasons for this; if one was to take this seriously, then one would never, ever, reach any conclusion. It would be impossible to give every religion fair and equal weight. 

Also, I don't feel the need to look elsewhere at the moment. As I said previously, Christianity makes sense, and answers most of my questions about things around me. This is horribly post-modern of me, but I think it's down to the individual how long they search for the truth. However, if you feel you've found it, it makes no sense to look any further for something can't be found elsewhere. There is, in my opinion, only one truth. That truth was made clearest in the man who was also fully God; Jesus of Nazareth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Suzy; hard, good questions. I am familiar with Baha’i. It is a nice concept, but doesn&#8217;t appear to support any sort of ultimate and absolute truth; I suppose that&#8217;s why people are attracted to it. I am not a fan of mixing faiths; logically it makes very little sense, and my particular belief is hardly comparable, at it&#8217;s core, to any other religion. What Christianity claims is unique. </p>
<p>I have learnt about other religions, and see what you&#8217;re suggesting here. I haven&#8217;t necessarily given them a &#8220;good ol&#8217; go.&#8221; A few reasons for this; if one was to take this seriously, then one would never, ever, reach any conclusion. It would be impossible to give every religion fair and equal weight. </p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t feel the need to look elsewhere at the moment. As I said previously, Christianity makes sense, and answers most of my questions about things around me. This is horribly post-modern of me, but I think it&#8217;s down to the individual how long they search for the truth. However, if you feel you&#8217;ve found it, it makes no sense to look any further for something can&#8217;t be found elsewhere. There is, in my opinion, only one truth. That truth was made clearest in the man who was also fully God; Jesus of Nazareth.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Faith versus reason. by Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.greyleads.com/philosophy/faith-versus-reason/#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, thanks for your comments. I've printed out that NT Wright article and shall read as soon as I get the chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, thanks for your comments. I&#8217;ve printed out that NT Wright article and shall read as soon as I get the chance.</p>
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